Conversations about a third technoscape

OK! I will send an e-mail to the JoPP editors and see what they think about this.

Btw, I didn’t read this but it sounds relevant:

Nice find @panayotis! Interestingly, I had no clue about this article, but when I read the following, I felt quite close to the concept of Third Infoscape, especially as it shares the same reference to Gilles Clement’s Third Landscape:

The Third Infoscape refers to the information and knowledge generated through the myriads of micro-histories, through the progressive, emergent and polyphonic sedimentation of the expressions of the daily lives of city dwellers.

The similarity is striking, although we’re not talking about information in the same sense, I guess our 3TS is more embodied: here, information is to be taken literally, not as a result, but as a path to be walked, not as an already in-formed individual, but rather as the process of individuation itself.

Ouf I just went through the art as open source article, that I find really interesting while myself working on Quantify Wholeheartedly with the brussels women and free software group.
AOS develops the freaky idea that: by opening up everyone’s data there would be a possibility to create a thirdInfoscape. The past endeavor led during opensource brain cancer project created a unique situation, where solidarity was provoked by Salvatore Iaconesi engaging with its own data and making a unique case by opening it. However it also clearly appears that this is a unique experience, in no way scalable and the idea that everyone would open up all information and display every feeling is very creepy; it does not take into account existing social and economical oppressive organization who would very quickly benefit from this.
In Gilles Clements vision of a third landscape, he is first and foremost talking about degraded spaces alternative spaces that are abandoned, invisible to the mainstream, and he values those existing spaces showing their connectedness their richness and their diversity, Gilles Clement is talking to us about spaces of resistance. In the Third-Technoscape we want to engage in the same way with spaces of resistance, in order to foster their strength and build more solidarity, this is I think a preliminary position that cannot be escaped from. I really do not think there is any large scale solution that will be found by the accumulation of information or data, but really only networks of diversity can help us forward.

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Yes please invite him also as I only know him via networkes relations and such and it would be great to exchange more in depth with him and Oriana
Here is an interview about his first project open source brain cancer .

@panayotis got in touch with me and here I am. I will take some time to browse through the thread, but in the meantime, let me just point out one detail:

Of course, this is not it, as it would have disastrous consequences in terms of rights and freedoms.

If you browse through our projects at AOS and HER you will see that we have no such desire, but a desire to re-appropriate data , as individuals and as a society, to create new sensibilities and new types of actions. To do this, we need new aesthetics (that is, very precisely, new sensibilities and cognitive approaches), and that is why we use arts and design as a privileged tool for our actions.
There is a strong parallel with La Cura in this. Data, there, was a metaphor of our condition. La Cura, as a global initiative, is not to “find a miracle therapy for cancer”, but to “reframe what it means to be diseased”: from something which is just a matter of doctor/patient/medical_system (as it is now, even in the most advanced and “innovative” practices), to a process which regards everyone: disease is a commons, and everyone should participate.
When I fall diseased, my wife is diseased, too, because her life changes radically. My students are diseased, because I can’t do lesson for them. My grocery store is diseased, because I don’t go shopping anymore. The whole country is diseased, because they pay taxes (thanks god) for the national health service.
Instead, there is no vision of this in past and current initiatives. It is one who is diseased. And this is just not true, and this is exactly the way in which we will be able to confront with this notion.
Data, in this scenario, is a perfect metaphor, because it never leaves the “lab”. Whether it is in the hands of the medical system, or in private clouds, or whether it drives the platforms for patient/friend/family/doctor engagement, it is always in the “lab”, and it does not go out in the city, in territories, across relations. It is always clear, in this paradoxical point of view, who is diseased and we are not.
The idea of the Third Infoscape is exactly about this. To “measure” something (disease, in this case ) it is not sufficient to record data about a single body.
For example, in this vision, the doctor is also “diseased”. If you have any experience in pediatric oncology, and the high rate of psychological burn out suffered by its doctors, you will have no problem believing this. In the frame of La Cura, for example, this does not sound strange at all and the doctor can be address of curing, too, from the whole ecosystem.
The metaphor is the metaphor of the garden. There are multiple types of garden, the ones attended for (the geometrical ones, with administered flowers and plants) and what Gilles Clément calls the Third Landscape, which is a radically open source view of the garden, which includes the whole environment and all of its subjects as gardeners.
It is interesting how Clément does not give up the idea of the “gardener” in the Third Landscape. Rather, he describes this figure as “not uses rake and shovel as tools, but knowledge and the wind”.